If it is a ’scientific theory’ then it should be able to be proved or disproved according to physical evidence. Why is there the need to intensively sell it?
Why aren’t those people involved with intelligent design satisfied with publishing in scientific circles. Why the big marketing push?
Scientists don’t usually seem to employ non-scientific organizations to market their theories to the general public. They seem quite content to publish in peer-reviewed literature. The opinion of the general public usually seems relatively irrelevant.
Intelligent design is a backdoor psuedo-science that the religious right are using to get creationism back into the mainstream. Even most intelligent xtians have accepted that IF there is a god then evolution is his/hers/its plan. Alas the fundementalists who require the creation myths to be true cant accept this and as such use intelligent design to push their creationist viewpoint.
Check out the great flying spaghetti monster as one response to intelligent design.
August 31st, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Why do you care?
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August 31st, 2009 at 10:14 pm
It’s their fallback position for creationism.
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August 31st, 2009 at 10:19 pm
They dont know what intelligence is… what do you think?
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August 31st, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I don’t care what they are interested in teaching in science as long as it passes adequate scrutiny (peer-review). ID does not qualify. They will not even try to go through standard scientific processes because they know that it is a load of rubbish….
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August 31st, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Somehow they’ve got it into their heads that by using extremely dishonest tactics to spread utter bullshit, they’re doing the Lord’s work.
George Orwell’s "Nineteen Eighty Four" could maybe shed some light on how such a phenomenon occurs.
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August 31st, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Intelligent design is a backdoor psuedo-science that the religious right are using to get creationism back into the mainstream. Even most intelligent xtians have accepted that IF there is a god then evolution is his/hers/its plan. Alas the fundementalists who require the creation myths to be true cant accept this and as such use intelligent design to push their creationist viewpoint.
Check out the great flying spaghetti monster as one response to intelligent design.
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August 31st, 2009 at 11:36 pm
I am a Christian and I too take offence at SOME of the attempts at reconciling science and religion. Not that they are irreconciliable, but these attempts often give rise to strange theories. I understand what you are trying to say…I understand scientific theories with consummate ease (not being boastful, thats the truth), but my premier obligation is to God and His word. Scientific "truth" will always be asymptotic to "truth". People are always disproving those who came before. So I couldn’t care less what science says. Simply because GOD IS ABLE…pitiful humans and our risible attempts to restrict God to our "science". ugh
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August 31st, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Moreover, why did the leading members of the ID movement refuse to defend ID under oath on the Dover trial?
Quote: "Despite its earlier involvement, the Discovery Institute was concerned that this would be a test case and that the defendants had earlier displayed their religious motivations. This tension led to disagreements with the Thomas More Law Center and the withdrawal of three Discovery Institute fellows as defense experts prior to their depositions – William A. Dembski, Stephen C. Meyer and John Angus Campbell. This was purportedly because the Thomas More Law Center refused to allow these witnesses to have their own attorneys present during deposition,[3] but Discovery Institute director Bruce Chapman later admitted to asking them not to testify (as well as Behe and Minnich, who testified anyway).[4]"
Why refuse to defend your views? Because they KNOW it’s a purposefully dishonest movement, and were afraid they’d be caught pants down lying under oath. It’s Lying For Jesus all the way.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District#Background
August 31st, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Intelligent design is some scientists hedging their bets so that they don’t look like complete fools the more science realises that there is more evidence for creation than against !
Don’t take my word for it …do the research for yourself !
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September 1st, 2009 at 12:21 am
I think the main problem is to group "ALL" Xians into the same group.
There are Fundy Xians, Moderate Xians, Cultural Xians & many many in between these three.
Those pushing "ID" follow a more "froth at the mouth" Fundy agenda than others do.
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September 1st, 2009 at 12:29 am
Don’t poke at it so much.
Disrupting religion would shake the foundations of many societies and it’s collapse could lead the world into uncertainty, and chaos.
Many new religions could spring, some of them perhaps violent.
The world is not ready to doubt intelligent design. Just leave it alone, smile and knot. Eventually, they would have to realize the logical aspect.
And when they ask you to come to church, just tell them you are not feeling well.
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September 1st, 2009 at 12:43 am
Correct me if I’m wrong but are all Christians scientists?…. NO
Are all scientists Christians?…. NO
Are some Christians scientists? …YES
Are some scientists Christian? …..YES
Do all scientists subscribe to intelligent design theory?….. NO
Do some scientists subscribe to intelligent design theory?….YES
Are all scientists who subscribe to ID theory Christians?….NO
Are some of the scientists who subscribe to ID theory Christian?…YES
What am I trying to say?
Don’t make sweeping statements and expect an intelligent answer. Science has never been about sweeping statements
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September 1st, 2009 at 1:11 am
I am a Christian who believes in Intelligent Design but I do NOT believe ID should be taught in a science class. ID is philosophy not science.
I honestly think that those pushing intelligent design come from backgrounds like I did where, not only was the Big Bang and Evolution presented, but were presented as "proof" there was no God. So they push back…and being intelligent realize that there’s nothing to "creation science" others are just threatened by the idea of science. Science will NEVER be able to answer the question of the existence of God.
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September 1st, 2009 at 1:25 am
The evidence for it is there, but many won’t accept it as science, they see it as religion. It is an unprovable theory, because it is showing evidence of intelligence, the counter argument is prove it, but how can it be proved? They take in Mathematical probability for one, That is to say it would be 1 trillion to 1 that such a thing could form by it’s self, but proving it would be another matter.
It is full of probability! But is Evolution any different it too has yet to find definitive proof, It is studied in a way that is full of probability.
Study of Time and Space now show there was a beginning, now proving where or how is pure speculation on any one’s part.
DNA show a code the Code is complex to say the least, A code is a language is it not? therefore it is unlikely that a highly developed organism came about by chance, from nothing to something that no life could exist with out the complexity involved in the genetic make up of it.
The main reason it is apposed is because it was wanted by Scientist who advocate it to be taught in School.
Anthony Flew wrote a good book on why he now believes in a creator,
There are signs of science swaying towards this theory every day we see more scientists come over to this way of thinking.
The reason why Christians follow this as true is Because it is our Faith that there is A creator, it’s that simple. Flew said one day we will look back at the Darwin theory and see it as the dark ages of Science.
There is a mountain of study on it you may look at
http://www.cosmicfingerprints. com.
I for one find the probability of life coming from dead matter ludicrous
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September 1st, 2009 at 1:45 am
What Christians? Reality is that most Christians don’t subscribe to the kind of mental muck of ID promoted by the Discovery Institute. It’s only the fundamentalists who never tire of claiming that they are the only Christians. They are a minority, noisy and generally stupid, but a minority just the same.
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